File Updated: June,
Why is "China
or "Chn Love" (chnlove.com)
"Qpid Network" (qpidnetwork.com)
"Thai Matches" (Thaimatches.com)
on my Black List?
See extended list of this
China Love (chnlove.com)
Chn Love (chnlove.com)
Qpid Network (qpidnetwork.com)
Thai Matches (Thaimatches.com)
In my OPINION...
Based on the reports that I have received...
It APPEARS that this site/agency...
reports coming in than any other agency.
NEW REPORTS - ALWAYS COMING IN
Report - June, 2013
are still scaming. I asked why I could not find the paypal
link. I got a flowery email & was told the problem
fixed. The fix was putting a paypal logo in the
options page. When I said this did not work & my
details were required, I got more flowery emails about
I then asked directly about a this being a scam. No
response! I sent more email, no response! Don't use
site if you value your credit card.
Hello. Big news ! SUPER SCAM.. and a Solution for it.
post this at the top of your list of reports on CHNLOVE. They are the
ultimate scammers. Check this out and tell people to use my method for
testing the sites for fraud like this. Note: that you cannot get a
phone number or real address for the women. They say on the profiles
the women have cell phones but you can't communicate directly with
them. They do this to force you to use the site for all communications
and hide the deception described below. It is all a scam.
Shazam - " I found a way to weed out some of the scams really quick."
have been dealing with these guys for months. Wasted a few hundred
dollars testing them. I have discovered that they fabricate profiles
out of thin air. "Imaginary people with beautiful photos and wonderful
words". They designed designed the site to generate email traffic paid
per message in both directions.
I have collected lots of
evidence. They have ladies write messages from these fake profiles to
get you to pay them for the fake messages. They were pretty consistent
sending me fake emails on a regular basis of
about 5 or 6 per day. Note that we are have to pay $7.50US
FAKE messages from hot looking dolls who want to get married. Thousands
men are doing it. I suspect that very few of the profiles are real and
the ones that are never actually communicate with the men who write at
all. The meetings that occur are arranged.
They have seem to
have bi-lingual translators each act as hundreds of different women in
order to draw the men to the site and China. Upon arrival in China the
service simply selects a woman. She may or not resemble the woman the
man wanted to meet. I suspect the woman is given printed translations
of communications (or not) so that she might know what the translator
said on her behalf.
I discovered that the minute I pressed
them that I was going to have someone meet the woman the messages which
flowed daily required "weeks" to get a reply form the woman. The real
woman was not easy to get communications from if she existed.
The Solution (a Test)
tested them by saying that I wanted to have my own representative
deliver a gift and meet the woman for a photo and questions in China
prior to my travel there to meet her.
As soon as I did this
the woman's profile disappeared and the company stopped sending fake
email to me. In fact I got no email whatsoever from new women who
supposedly were reading my profile and sending me messages after that
statement to the service. Ha wow.
These are the all same operation under various names. (there are other
Qpid Network (qpidnetwork.com)
Thai Matches (Thaimatches.com)
I have just finished a two week tour of China, that included visits to
would rate this group of companies as something to definitely be aware
are girls, and they definitely want to get married, but the problem is
execution of the company. They make their money translating
messages for men [like
me] who contact ladies and then pay to have a message
translated. One of their
offices (Changsha) had 5 young ladies reading and translating messages,
and a second
office (Chengdu) had three.
I did meet ladies, but they were entirely different from their
pictures, which is
where the problem comes in. Several of the interpreters
hinted at angry clients who
traveled to see a particular lady, and then were disappointed at who
Do I rate this agency a scam? I would have to answer yes, although to
they do present the ladies to you, albeit not the person you went to
see. At $3,000
a pop to travel to these countries, there is a definite problem.
Can you meet someone who interests you? Yes! But your going
to have to work at it.
I would say you need to meet 10 ladies to find 2 who may appeal to
you. I am no
newcomer to this game, and this was my 10th trip overseas, so I am
aware of the
games played by marriage agencies. I knew enough to schedule
as many ladies as
possible to avoid a total trip failure.
Again, this company is probably legit, but should be put on a watch
list until they
get the "glamour photos" bit cleaned up. Posting a photo that
does not come close
to resembling the person is not an honest way to do business.
now I have more...
have been a member of CHNLove for about 3 years and there is definitely
a scam there. I have travelled there twice now,
corresponding with one of the ladies for 6 months and having been told
(in her e-mails) that she was taking English classes, I got there and
she could not speak a word of English. Naturally, the agency
to offer the services of an interpreter. Agencies apparently
ladies that they do not need to learn English until the man asks her to
marry her and pays for her English courses, which are by the way given
by the translator who works at the agency. I also know from
and from having talked to a few of the ladies who are members on this
site that there is a lot of deception and lies going on
would think that at the price that we pay for sending and receiving an
e-mail, the service would be at least honest. But in many
cases, it is
anything but honest.
First, men send letters to ladies. The
agency receives the letter, translates it for the lady and will show
the man’s profile to the lady. By the way, the lady
has already paid a
little fortune by Chinese standards to be on this site and she also
gets charged for every letter that she receives and every letter that
she sends (each letter therefore amounts to $6 or more; a pretty hefty
charge for this kind of service in China).
If the lady likes
the man, she will write to him and the agency will do kind of what they
advertise. In most cases, they will call the lady, somewhat
translated version of the letter over the phone, omitting any kind of
contact information in order to retain the exclusive control of the
communication between the man and the woman. Often, the lady
summarize how to answer the letter to her translator. The
will then sit down and write a letter, feeling quite free to add stuff,
to embellish the feelings or words from the lady, and of course,
ensuring that no direct contact information gets passed. So,
answer we get is in many cases not even a translation of a letter
written by the lady. For instance, I had been writing to that
everyday for 2 months. I had asked to get her phone number
e-mail. I finally received it this week in an
e-mail. In her letter,
the lady said that her English was not great, but that she would do her
best to communicate. I did phone her this weekend.
Whose phone number
was that? Her translator! She made nice promises
that she would call
the lady the next day to see if she wanted me to have her private cell
number. Surprise! The e-mail signed by the lady
clearly said to call
her, that she was expecting my call. Why would her translator
that lady’s permission to give me her phone number if that
e-mail was genuine? Strike One!
If the lady has no interest in
developing a relationship with a man who just wrote to her, it gets
even more interesting! I have been told by ladies of the kind
describe, the ones that look totally different in person than they do
on their glamour photo, that when they showed no interest in a man, the
agency or the translator would approach them and ask for permission for
the translator to write to this man on their behalf anyway, but at no
charge to the lady! So, the man who thinks that his lady
will be lured to send as many e-mails as possible. When the
the kitchen gets too high, the translator will find a way to break-up
the relationship. This happened to me recently. I
found out the truth
when talking to a friend of mine who encountered the same
Sometimes, without the lady being aware of
anything, the agency will use her profile to attract men and make
money. Last summer, I initiated contact with a lady from
Guangxi province. That lady indicated on her profile that she
living in Rotterdam, Netherlands. I liked her a lot (I
thought), so I
made travel arrangements to go meet her. I told her what time
arrive, where I would stay and that I wanted to have dinner with her on
the night of my arrival. When I arrived Rotterdam she was not
Central station to meet my train as we had agreed. I called
several times, but there was no answer. I sent her SMS and
still no answer. I was stuck in Rotterdam with no
three days later, I managed to reach that lady. She had been
vacation for more than two weeks and she had not been aware at all that
I was coming! The agency, having been unable to contact her,
replies to me. We finally met, but like in many other cases,
she was a
far cry from the photos on her profile. She was nevertheless
we became friends. Her English was very limited, but she
explain to me that she did like me and had told the agency that she was
interested in communicating with me. But that she received only about 3
of my e-mails, out of a total of about 20, and that she had replied
only to these 3 e-mails. All of the others had been totally
made up by
the agency. She also told me that the agency also has a few
are very good looking and who are indeed looking for a husband, but who
do not mind toying with men in which they are not interested for the
benefit of the agency, and for their own as well, as the agency gives
them a free ride (no fee membership), especially if they are willing to
play the game in case the man requests a chat online. These ladies
often get a lot of men trying to get in touch with them, so they get to
pick and chose whom they want to write to, and leave the other suckers
to the translators to play with. Strike three!
The problem is
that there is absolutely no quality control over the translation made
and these translators are in a flagrant conflict of interest.
need to keep the money flowing in and they have no problem lying and
deceiving men just to shore up their business. I think that
to be shown for what they really are. I am sure that there
ladies out there. But there are many honest and sincere men
are being deceived by CHNLove and its agencies. I hope that
expose them for what they are and force tem to come clean or shut down
the business. You can quote this e-mail as being from one of
disillusioned customers. If you wish more details, do not
contact me. Have a nice day
I read your comment about Chinalove. May I add, from first hand
knowledge, I agree they are dishonest. including, but not limited to
photos. I am a member and wrote them about the photos. pics of ladies
45yrs. old that look 30. I ask them if they guarantee their photos.
They said they only posted photos furnished by the ladies. One thing
that really irks me is that they "refresh" ladies profiles. Chinalove
states that every so often they contact the ladies as to their
availibility. If they are still searching, they will "refresh" that
profile and post it as if they are still single and looking. That is a
LIE. I have been communicating with a lady for about 2 months. She is
very serious and wants us to meet and hopefully get married. I noticed
her profile refreshed Sept. 10, then on Sept. 23, and then last week.
Out of respect, I said nothing the first 2 refreshes. I asked her
about. She explained it was not convenient that she told me prior.
paid to join and was under contract until she got married. Part of this
contract was that Chinalove could refresh her profile every two weeks,
if they so desired. She considers herself "off the market"
but as far
as Chinalove is concerned, this beautiful lady is displayed as single
and searching. They also advertise free Cupid Notes, but when an
exceptional lady is listed, you cannot send a free cupid note. They
inform you she has received many in the last 48 hours and advise you to
write her (@ 4 to 5 dollars a letter) Quite a scam. They also
advertise their agencies are open 7 days a week. Another lie. Some may
be, not all. The sad part is this website is full of many very good and
honest ladies. Some have sent, as requested, photos of daily life.
Many, I did not recognize. Others are similar. Just look 10 yrs.
older. Thanks for reading this. ****
NEW - FEB 09
I came across your reviews for Chnlove through another website, Pfishy,
where many of us past members of Chnlove have been posting our
experiences. I'm not sure why Chnlove remains only a "grey" scam on
your Review Site. It's true that generally, older guys are
their apparent "success stories" but I would advise this is largely
done after-the-fact, not because of the setup of their scheme.
Chnlove uses 'translation' as a mask to misrepresent and deceive paying
clients. Two things worth noting: Girst, 'Chnlove' attempts
the buck to their regional, multi-level marketers, whome they like to
call the 'local Agencies'. Second, it is a rare day
if the lady in
question actually sees many, if any, of the gentlemen's emails (for
which they pay a relatively large amount) before, or IF, they should
ever meet in person.
When I read the reviews posted on your
site thus far, I was troubled by the pattern of stories told since many
sound uncannily similar, if identical, to my own. I should
from the get-go that things were not right. In one of the early
letters, the writer was almost speaking in the "3rd person". She said,
'You may call me A, or BA, or Ms.
A'. I thought that was rather
odd, since I had been writing to this person on a first-name
I was also told in my exchange with the primary connection I was
interested in (I must have corresponded with about 5 ladies, who I now
realize were all likely 'Translators') that she was taking English
courses. Having read the testimonials of your other
can now see that it was likely a fabrication to skit a number of other
things, including not having the time to write to me by (free) private
email - and 'having' to use Chnlove as the taxi meter was running.
Something that your other contributors did not refer to though, are
those costly 'gifts' which Chnlove flogs using its banners (It's
Valentines, it's Labour Day, Oh, it's Chnlove's Anniversary
Day - I'm
obviously exaggerating here ... WHY NOT buy that 'special
Translator] a nice 'gift for that 'special
day'. Well, I bought a
number of gifts like a fool. And although
a couple of ladies
acknowledged my gift when I emailed with them, the others had to
respond RETRO-actively .... "oh, yeah ... er, uh
... yes, Thank You
for 'that' gift .... it was, um, sweet
...". So, if I were
a bet, I'd suggestion none of my 'gifts' were ever purchased or
delivered to anyone, anywhere.
Nice to pad the old pocket there,
Chnlove, I guess.
Like your other
decided to take an 'active' approach as well, and let everybody
If I've been bamboozled, at least this might save others from going the
thought I'd write in as well. Better take them off the grey list, go
for black on black. Not only were all three of my ladies at least
partially false, messages failed in congruency, but I have one admirer
who wrote me twice, 5 months apart. She uses two different pictures,
one in white one in yellow shirt. This girl is sending my initial
admirer contact. What is strange is that she writes the same letter 5
months apart. So, the lights go on.
Better let it be known,
Here's another update for you and your readers re. the Chnlove scam
A lot of review / scam busting sites, including yours, have been doing
a great job informing customers of the scams out there. On one of the
other review sites (www.pfishy.com) the site came under
attack. It looks like the administrator and
identified the attack coming from guys in China (no
you and your readers check July 2nd, there is a post (at least,
currently) explaining how the site came under a spam attack. They were
mainly offensive posts generated by current promoters of Chnlove who
had tried to post under fake names to bury the posts of legitimate
customers who had been scammed by Chnlove.
I hope your site and the others do not have to deal with the same
experience as pfishy did. But be on the look-out.
that Chnlove may be on its last legs. No business as guys get wiser.
REPORTS - JAN 2010
am and was a member at chnlove. I was very suspicious of what was going
on. I had communicated with a lady for some time, and she
asked me to
come to see her, in nine months. A lot of letters and
business in that
time. But I didn't do it. I did a surprise phone call on her,
would not tell her who I was and there was no way she could
kept her on the spot, and she could not guess. So to keep this short, I
was on a free site and I saw a lady who was on the chnlove
is our conversation, and it is a little bit interesting. I
gave her a
meet you here. I was registered at Chnlove and saw your profile there
and you sent me a note, which I greatly appreciate. There was
bad reports about this company, that I had a hard time to
because I couldn't trust who was real or not. I phoned a girl
communicated for months with, and we became a little bit
she said things that made us sound close. When I phoned her, she could
not guess my name, at all. So what about this company. Are
****,nice to meet you here.could u tell me some more about the bad
reports of chnlove?and i can tell u something true about
woman who u contacted thats not the real woman.thats shall be
translators of agency of chinlove.so no wonderful when u
lady that she didnt know who u r.i guess that all ladies in chinlove
are in this situation.
the valuable information. Just confirms what I was suspecting. So did
you send me a letter of interest, or was it just chnlove
business? I heard that the woman are not treated well also.
So I think
there are a lot of sincere ladies at the agency, only they
being treated fair? Do you have your own internet? I can send
links to sites exposing chnlove if you like. I wrote to a couple of
other girls briefly, and I could tell it was a scam, just to
use up my
credits. The ladies letters are all the same. No personal
and short as possible.
sorry i never sent
any letters to anybody so far.all letters in chnlove thats only the
agencies can write and send them to men.all ladies in chnlove
write any letters to
men.its not allowed to do that.every
letter in chnlove be send and received by agency.so if u send
letters via the chnlove that mean u send letters to agency.do u
understand what i say.thats why the letters what u received
same and short.
Here is one site exposing it. It says chinalove on the address, but on
the site, they are speaking about chnlove.
hope the all people would removed from the scam soon.
I understand. Does anyone there ever get married I wonder? At least I
know now to stay well away. I had about another 20 letters
problem. I guess we become smarter with age. If you can't
link let me know, and if you want, I can find a few more for
i can browse the site which u gived to me.yes thats true totally what
jim said in the website.all people in chnlove paid the money
but hardly to meet the right person for ourself.i am thinking
what i must do to help the other people to removed from the
TO AND FROM chnlove.com
I just wanted to bring your attention to this website and see if you
had anything to say about it?
From: Helen Wong (Customer Care)
Date: 30 Dec, 2009 GMT
Hao! This is Helen from Chnlove customer care. Thanks for sharing your
concern with us. I can fully understand your concern. I am very
grateful that you could let us know your thought, which gives us a
chance to address your concern and provide you possible assistance.
I believe that you are sincere to look for your true love here, such
attitude is greatly appreciated and admired by us. Chnlove has always
treasured every single word of comments from the members and other
people who have not joined our site, as these are impetus which may
help us provide a safer and better platform to our sincere clients.
However, recently we notice that there are some people diffusing
negative information against us spitefully. Actually our Intendance
Department is looking into this matter currently, and will take legal
actions if necessary.
Chnlove has grown over the past decade
to be a responsible company who will care for our clients' needs. We
are fully aware that our company's reputation and long-term development
is built on the trust of our clients. As you might be aware, Chnlove is
independent from each local agency as individual companies. We pay the
agency who provides EMF messages translation and delivery services to
the Chinese ladies, thus enable free translation as well as
professional consultation service to the ladies, making it easier for
communication between people of different languages and cultures.
Though Chnlove is not involved in the internal business of each agency,
we have strict policies and regulations that each agency should censor
the ladies' profiles and offer quality service to help both male and
female members communicate smoothly. For more details about our
measures taken to against the dishonesty behaviors, please check below
page for reference:
we welcome our gentlemen clients to rate and comment the work of the
local agencies. For those agencies who are reported for not doing a
satisfactory job, we will carry out further investigation and find out
the situation at the soonest. We earnestly hope that you could be with
us as a supervisor, valuator and impeller of the agencies' quality
service in Chnlove. We firmly believe your involvement and support is
always the wealth that nothing can compare with, and your feedback will
be the impetus to push Chnlove's and the agencies' services to a higher
level. :-) You may refer to the link below for other clients' comments
and rates after meeting their ladies in China:
again for your support to our service. Please feel free to let us know
if you have additional question or concern. We'll be glad to help our
Chnlove Customer Care
NOTE - You'll notice that she did not defend or make any mention of my
site or the report against her company. What she did was give him a lot
of PR bullshit that sounds good, but says nothing. MOST IMPORTANTLY,
she laid out their system for everyone to see. And it is EXACTLY the
same way that anastasiadate and all the big scam Russian agencies work.
She is right, the main office of chnlove.com does NOT scam. It is all
the local offices that make fake profiles and write fake letters. This
place obviously took there model from anastasiadate and use the same
loophole to scam. "It wasn't us, it must have been the local office."
Well, the main office is responsible for their ENTIRE company's actions.
I am a rather old hand at this nonsense. Last year I took my adopted
Chinese daughter to YiYang to see her history and in the course got on
China Love website to see who I could meet. Actually I did meet a very
nice lady but had to hire the translator as her English was nil. I
negotiated ½ price after threats on their side that they would not
introduce me if I did not pay the full fare and basically I said fine-
I could care less, and of course they aquiessed. She came with her 20
year old daughter who actually spoke very good English so did I need a
Now here is the real story and
scam. I went back to China this year recently to Changsha – I was on
China love and corresponding with a few great looking totally photo
shopped girls (always ask for natural photos) – one lady was
posed very erotically that contacted me & oh by the way when
found out I was coming to Changsha in the period of 1 week I had 10
admirer mails ----alll from Changsha women. Normally I would get one in
a month. Are we really this stupid? So I gleaned thru the list and by
the time I arrived in Changsha I had three solid dates lined up. Now I
always ask the girls to write to me on my private email which
occasionally happens & even then it can be the translator (guy
girl) of the agency.
To keep the story short – I was contacted
by a girl that I had given my email to. She had written that she did
not speak English and that I should hire Nick – her translator – to pay
him to meet with us and translate. Well guess what she had visited the
agency saw all this bullshit crap, and remembered my email and
contacted me directly. She did not write or see half the letters – it
was dear Nick. She had paid 10,000 RNB ( $1500 abt) to join, and was
quite discouraged. She wrote me that she was in fact fluent in English,
that CHN love is a scam – in the sense that the translators write the
admirer letters to you & if you answer then they
girl and tell them they have a guy that is interested in them. And yes
in some cases you are never talking at all to the girl-just the
translators who get commission by putting you on.
So I arranged to meet this lady at my hotel – short end she resigned
from Chnlove – she is fabulous – I have been back to see her 3 times
and we are getting married in June. Exceptional lady – fluent, legit,
beautiful and detests ChnLove site. Before I met her I made a date with
one again hiring at half price the translator and we met for supper at
my hotel. Honestly, she was sophisticated, quite lovely, fashionable
and I was attracted to her except how can you have a relationship with
a women that cannot speak even basic English. The translator was a nice
girl as well – told me she was quitting in two months as she couldn’t
tolerate the chicanery (her words) of Changsha Chnlove site (run by a
Taiwanese guy) and that they cheat the foreigners.
Summation – you need to know how to play the game- its expensive – a
lot of bullshit – but you can meet great women. You must find ones that
DO speak English – get them to contact you directly – get their phone
nos. ( ha it could be the translator) but if you do call them on Skype
and check them out thoroughly. The women in most cases are legit – it’s
the ageny and translators who think foreigners are stupid. I paid my
dues, have many more stories – but luckily I met the love of my llife
because of Chnlove, but not through Chnlove. It is also a
hard road if you want to marry re immigration , visa etc. and if anyone
needs advice I am very adept at handling these matters and can give you
pretty good advice. I lived in the Orient many years and am familiar
with the nuances, but honestly Chnlove is something to be very careful
about. If they hook you it’s a money pit wasteland unless you get very
So I can only say be very careful – if her profile says
learning English she probably cannot speak your language – get natural
photos – if you still decide to meet her negotiate price and always be
careful in what you say. You are writing to the translators and they
have all power to reply to you – it may be from her – it may be from
them. If you cant get her on email – yahoo- skype etc. forget it.
I didnıt know this site, your sites, existed. I am much less naive.
Itıs an expensive lesson. This independent story will confirm other
reports about ChnLove.com (agencies). This is two years over-due, but
better late than never. It may help other guysŠ
ChnLove agency is in Zhengzhou, China. In early 2007 I did the profile
and buying credits thing. I immediately was contacted by an astonishing
number of the ³gorgeous² category, all 15 20 years my junior. Late
30ıs, to-die-for beauty. (I was then 57.) It seemed suspicious. Iım not
a fool about women; I saw the manipulation and ³high maintenance²
factors. I did my own searching of the profiles and found one closer to
my age that felt right. Dozens of emails and four months later I go to
China, (the final cost is several thousand $$, as we all know).
was older and quite sensible in our letters. BUT all the posted photos
were retouched and some were from her mid-20s. To my eye she was quite
pretty, but not in the gorgeous category. At least I have that common
The woman, nice but intimidated easily, was charged
30,000 yuan (RMnB) to join the agency. An outrageous fee by Chinese
standards. I had the ³sense² to call the manager and send emails to
enquire were there agency fees to my lady friend and was told there
were none. I was lied to by the manager. My lady friend was charged for
each letter she received, each leter she sent, as was I. She was also
charged for all phone calls and conversations with her marriage broker,
over the $30,000 joining fee.
I went to China. I wasnıt
disappointed in my lady friend. I had made a wise choice. After two
weeks in China, the prospective woman and I were attracted to each
other and planned to go ahead with me extending my visit and meeting
her family. That was what we had agreed to in our correspondence. We
were taking it slow, but still going ahead with it. In my hotel room,
while making plans to extend my time in China, the agency
translator-marriage broker told my lady friend this was NOT acceptable.
She, my lady of choice, was ordered to meet at least one other man. The
translator then told us, in my hotel room, completely to our shock,
that another man was arriving in Zhengzhou the next Monday (immediately
after I was supposed to have left), and a meeting between the lady and
this other man was scheduled. Neither of us were aware of this other
man, at all. He had apparently written a letter some months before to
which she (my lady) had said no thanks.
translator had brokered the meeting with the ³new guy² without
consulting the lady‹written nice letters, made promises, etc., on her
behalf without telling her at all. Note this: I have a stable,
reasonable income. Iım not rich but I ainıt poor. The new guy was very
wealthy and 30 years her senior. He had apparently paid the agency to
ensure he got a meeting. The marriage broker hinted to me, in my hotel
room, that a cash gift to the agency would go a long way to realizing
the outcome in my favor.
In the mean time, over the course
of the two weeks I was there, I spent some time with my lady friendıs
teen-aged son. A rather well spoken lad of 16. He related stories about
gifts and money to the marriage broker that bothered him he could see
his mother being taken and it reminded me of the payola scandals.
my hotel room, the marriage broker intimidated the lady into a meeting
with the new guy, apparently using threats about breach of contract. It
was a very messy, painful scene in my hotel room. So, I didnıt extend
my stay. I left. [A year later I returned to Zhengzhou on unrelated
business and met the son again. We had dinner and a nice chat. In all
truth, the son was sad his mother didnıt marry me. She eventually
married the rich guy under pressure from the agency and her father.]
brief: I met a lovely age-appropriate woman that was completely
browbeaten by the marriage agency. The broker lied to both of us, lied
to the new guy, intimidated the woman, and walked away with a bribe Iım
told of a few thousand US. Oh wellŠ I returned to my home
and wrote a detailed letter of complaint about the agency and the
broker. I was told in no uncertain terms that I had no legal grounds
for compaint ‹ that was how China works, and that it was not the affair
of the ChnLove head office. Each agency (in the case Zhengzhou) was
I met a lovely woman, had a good time, and we
were planning to pursue it further. This was completely destroyed by
greed, deceit, intimidation, and gross irresponsibility on the part of
the agency and the marriage broker. Beware guys ‹ this stuff is very
all around. Ladies get scammed Men get scammed. The AGENCY has
translate and everything goes through the agency. The last thing they
want is direct communication. Any postal service to China othjer than
e-mail is useless.An example is a gift of flowers; look at the cost
49$, would buy flowers for a month. Mistakes are always self serving by
STAY AWAY FROM CHNLOVE!!!
Hi Jim, I have
been on that site for a few years.
Things have proceeded much as you say. Things got interesting
got closer then she had to disappear to take care of her sick
Another gave no reason just said she had to leave the site.
I twice sent 8x10 enveloppes of stuff to two different
addresses were written in Chinese and English. The correctness was
verified by my local Post Office people, who are
Chinese. After a few
months each enveloppe came back with "Unknown" from the Chinese Post
Office. !! Ta Da!!
have used your site for several years when I was looking for a bride in
Ukraine. I gave up on Ukrainian women and joined the CHNLOVE
in January 2007. I did not have the problems mentioned by the
other men that made reports on your site. I think is only
give a good report when something good happens to let people know that
not all of the agencies doing business with CHNLOVE are scammers.
it is true they charge for the emails going to the ladies. My
wife, I married the woman I originally met at CHNLOVE, did not pay the
agency to join. When I sent her flowers before our first
she received them I know this because she mentioned them during our
first week together. Having gone to the agency several times that week,
I know the ladies on the CHN site are the ladies at this
I seen many of them and they all looked very close to the pictures on
their site. They, as well as Zhihong, my wife now, helped
all the arrangements for me to get to Baoding including the ride from
the airport with the cost being minimal, as compared to the same thing
in the US. Yes, we needed a translator but I knew this well
before my visit to Baoding. Yes, the site mentioned that she
learning English, but I thought this might not be true so that is one
bad thing against CHNLOVE. The ladies who visited the agency
while I was there actually sat down and wrote out their letters and
then handed them to the translators to write them in English and send
to the men.
After the first week, me and Zhihong
decided we were going to be married and the local agency, at that time,
charged me for Zhihong's participation in using their
Possible scam? No, they told me their charges before I headed
China if we decided to get married. They were upfront about
translator charging $7.00/hour and they told me it was not required,
but recommended it.
As it seems, you are right
about CHNLOVE being responsible for the things the other agencies are
doing whether good or bad. As for me, I had nothing but a
experience in dealing with this agency and would recommend them to
other people, albeit, since I know some of the other agencies in their
network are not so good, I would only recommend them looking for girls
in the Hebei district, Baoding City to be more exact.
It is a scam. The new thing
is their chat. They charge .5 credits per min., which amounts to
about $2.75/ min depending on the number of credits you
I have connected with several of these women. When sent my personnel
email, they all have claimed to have a broken computer....all, no
matter what city they are from. I have bought addresses and visited
them only to find that no one there has ever heard of the person. The
people need to be sued. I will be in Hong Kong and would pursue legal
action, if enough people would like to join me. The Chinese gov't is
interested in stopping this type of thing and would help to close them
down. I have waisted too much time and money not to go after them. So
if anyone else is interested, please give them my email. Also warn
everyone about this site!
You are welcome to edit this....
chnlove is a complete sham, I have some proof for you that the 'head'
agency is in on it....
My buddy was 'communicating' with several women and has
headed to china.
first woman 'mini' is actually already in a relationship with an Irish
guy who is living with here in Zongshan but he is cool so he has
befriended them and is hanging out with them and finding out how badly
he was scammed.
She tells him she does it to receive a cut of the bucks.
had an inkling when he told me he was going and that he had paid over
200$ to email her and at least that much to chat with a couple of
others... so I joined chnlove and instantly recieved a number of emails
especially the one from this total honey
http://www.chnlove.com/my/woman.php?womanid=P682237 and even though
this one isn't my style she is supposedly rich
http://www.chnlove.com/my/woman.php?womanid=P5081080 too good to be
I put up a picture of myself with an insert in
the picture written in Chinese 'please contact me directly by email' /
'??????????? ??'with my email address.
The picture was edited
so that the caption was removed and only 75% my face was visible.. I do
not think that the 'agencies' would be able to edit my picture.
it made me wonder how the women who don't have access to the site and
pay for each email manage to select you for interest anyhow,
I was recieving 2 or 3 emails at approximately the same time
every morning china time.
I deleted that picture and uploaded another that they would be unable
to edit as before I have since stopped receiving emails from any of
the' sub agencies'/ women/handlers and I think my profile has been
moved to some kind of sandbox "for difficult or non paying customers"
where I can access it at the link but it is not live for display.
I am currently creating a few more profiles and toying with
comparing the results.
**** from australia
I'm from Australia and was using that site for about 2 weeks. I started
concentrating on this one woman and things got pretty serious too fast.
So a friend of mine signed up used his credit card to but credits etc,
he started talking to the same woman and guess what? She told two
different stories. We did this with another 3 more woman from 3
different agencies and they all had totally different stories to tell.
I tried to get my money back, but chnlove.com would not allow it and
kept sending me emails about how they have no control over what the
agencies do etc etc etc.
What was very strange to me is
that, in one of the letters she actually nearly had me convinced she
was real because she said she was studying in Melbourne close to where
my internet ISP is situated, and had just returned home. So Chnlove.com
must have gave them that information somehow. I have had contact with a
girl who is currently living in Perth Australia, that used to use that
site before moving to Australia. She told me that they sent letters
from er that she did not write.
Once you ask for natural
photo's they usually make up some real bad excuse or disappear. My
profile has since been deleted by them.
Jim. I have just realized that all along you have been telling the
truth about CHNLOVE. It is just 1 big giant scamming company. I have
been a member for 4 years and i have been to china now 6 times. I have
constantly asked females for their email address but i have never got
1. I just found out last night off a Chinese guy that these females get
$10 for every letter that is sent to them and replied too. Something
has to be done to stop this scamming. What i do not know so the only
thing that i can think of is to report it to you as you seem to be in
the know about this giant scamming operation that CHNLOVE have got
going. It is scandalous the way that they blatantly just rip off guys
who are just out to find a decent honest wife who is Chinese. All that
a guy has to do is to ask the female involved for her email address?
and if they do not get a response! Just forget about them because they
are just a scammer who get paid $10-asd for every letter that they send
& get a reply too! It is disgusting and something has to be
stop it. What? I do not know. The only way to try to stop this scamming
is to try to warn guys through your web-site. Thanks mate! You are
doing a great job. Regards. ****
> Hello Jim,
happened to discover your wonderful website that discloses so
many fraudulent online dating sites. I am especially
chnlove.com as I have experienced exactly the same thing your
users talked about.
> Actually I contacted a few
women on Chnlove.com since February 2012. Over 2 months' time
spent a lot of money and time communicating with them by live
or their message system. However, I realized most of them are
and their translators wrote on behalf of them to me in order to push me
to buy more credits!
> After I contacted chnlove via
online message and fax (they are based in HK but do not seem
have a phone number), their reply to me was they contacted the
agency and the lady, and they simply did not admit any wrongdoings.
> At the same time, I've received two emails from one translator
and his/her agency respectively:
> Email No. 1 (Quote):
"So sorry about the letter I wrote to you then make you annoyed
and angry. Very sorry about that.. All my apologies to you...
> Sandy's translator
> PS: Please stop receiving any letter I send to you. I don't
want you lose too much money..Many sorry above..."
> Email No. 2 (Quote):
"I want to let you to know is something about that private email.
It is all written by ours translator. Miss Sandy herself did
know that. Translator want to give an apology to you to
his regret to you."
> Now everything is so clear. I
wish to take legal action against this scam. Do you have any
advice on how I go about doing this?
> Thanks for your attention.
> **** from Australia
Hi Jim –
want to add yet another affirmation of the Chnlove SCAM site.
I’ll keep mine brief. I have had tremendous success on other
sites such as Elena’s Models, requesting women to email me
directly. In my “EMF” mails to five different women on
Chnlove.com (at $6.50 a pop!) requesting that they email directly, I
have yet to receive a direct email. Moreover, of those who
responded via EMF (also at $6.50 a pop to read) after my request that
they email me directly, it is clear from their communication that they
never received my email address. It was edited out by the
Another thing that I found fascinating is that 50%
of the women that sent me effusive, love proclaiming “admirer mails”
had profiles with requested age ranges of men 25-40 years
I’m 52! I can’t believe these women are that eager to adjust
their criteria regardless of how attractive a man is or how wonderful
his profile may be.
I hope this site and everyone like it goes down and goes down hard…soon.
everything you say about ChnLove and their affiliated companies are
true. I was a recent victim. I had written this
the first part of November, 2012 until April of 2013. After
communication I decided to travel from ****, USA to Shenzhen, China. I
was there April 27 through May 18 this year. The lady was a
resemblence of the profile photo; although not far from it. I had asked
her prior to my trip for an actual photo; she sent me two.
experience was disappointing to say the least. Since she was
still working I decided to stay there three weeks. After I
there about ten days, she decided to break up due to the language
barrier. Her roommate teaches English. I showed the
roommate some letters from the website that were supposedly written by
the lady I went to see. This lady denied writing many of the
things said; including the complete doctoring of her profile.
Said she only had given only one line of text; the translators had
written the rest. Since I had time to kill in Shenzhen, I
to look for some local ladies that might be interested. Sure
enough, we made our date after a few letter exchanges. Her
profile photo and the lady didn't come close to looking like each
other. Only their build was close. The translator
me $50.00 per hour; we had a total time together of three
The lady insisted I use her translator; even though I had one for less
than half that rate.
Before I made this trip I had
written several other Chinese ladies. Last Fall I asked for a
real life photo. You would not believe it! The lady
profile was a beautiful model looking type; the actual photo of the
woman was much, much older.
I have started communication
with another lady, but after reading your reviews and the reviews of
others I believe this is a horrible scam and tragedy being perpetuated
upon unsuspecting men. I have asked her for actual photos,
the excuse twice has been "I don't have time". When pressed
further, she said "the camera is broken on her phone." I
to this "didn't you think to use a friend's phone?". I have
requested her email address. I told her if I don't get it
Since I was staying at the motel, I used their
computer. They had problems with trying to get mine hooked up
cable or WYFI. This I could not use the bookmarked site, and
had to do a "login" search every time. It was my first login
search I got a hint of all the problems with ChnLove.
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